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Episode Five

Small Jessica Jones spoilers behind the cut.

I've been told that parts of the DT fandom has been horrified by Jessica Jones because Kilgrave ruins their memories of the Tenth Doctor. Well, we watched episode five last night, and while I don't share their feelings (yes, I can tell the difference between the actor, one character he plays, and another character he plays), I totally understand why they feel that way.

This is the episode in which we see Kilgrave's and Jessica's first meeting. Jessica has just beaten up a couple of thugs that were mugging the man who would become her neighbor (don't remember his name), and Kilgrave comes up with his two female companions and begins talking to her. As the audience, you know who he is, what he's doing (his conversation meant to engage her for a moment as he works his mind control), and what's going to result from it, so you're already spooked, if not horrified. But the big thing is how he does it. He tells her how wonderful she is, because she's both so noble and so powerful, and how impressed he is by her. This is exactly the kind of thing the Tenth Doctor says to new friends, and his delivery is bright and friendly, just like DT's Doctor was. I don't know if it was DT who decided to do this scene this way, but if so, I think it was a stroke of brilliance: for DW fans at least (and I'm sure there's a fair number of them watching, as the DW and Marvel fandoms tend to intersect quite a bit), the scene is all the more creepy because by making the two characters so similar, he's underscoring the difference in intent.

I'm finding Kilgrave, beyond being played by DT, very fascinating, because without actually seeing him much (his total screen time so far might total ten minutes, but I expect it's closer to five), we already can see what he likes and what he really wants. The only thing we don't know is why, and I'm hoping that that's developed, just like they did with Vincent D'Onofrio's Wilson Fisk.

I'm loving Jessica Jones. The writing and the plotting is superb, and Krysten Ritter, as well as the rest of the cast, is excellent. It didn't need DT to make it fantastic, but I'm so pleased that he's the one playing Kilgrave.



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Nov. 25th, 2015 04:19 am (UTC)
I love this show...and I especially love that he did that. Kilgrave is very charming and suave (and yes, occasionally does the 'wellll...' *g*) yet the contrast between himself and the Doctor is vast, even though sometimes he can remind you of him. Though there are moments (which you will come to) where he is definitely nowhere NEAR being the Doctor. He is a total psychopath and quite happy to be that way. The rest of the world needs to just accomdate him. He does the sob-story thing well...but when that doesn't work -


I love it. I love the show, I love the actors! The writing, plot and follow-through are epic. And I rather love that this is a more 'adult' Marvel. Some comics were for everyone and some were for a more mature audience. JJ is one of those comics and they aren't pulling any punches!

Edited at 2015-11-25 04:20 am (UTC)
Nov. 25th, 2015 02:12 pm (UTC)
Don't blink.... and don't read further unless you've seen through ep. 8.

I haven't finished yet, just finished episode 8, but there are so many twists and turns in this thing. Not only that, but the characters are fully fleshed out. There are bits of evil/vengeance in the "good guys," there's even a spark somewhere in the "bad guy," a possibility that he might be redeemable. There are reasons behind everything.... and this is definitely not for the kiddies!

Oh, and I love that Jessica and Luke actually broke the bed!
Nov. 25th, 2015 09:34 pm (UTC)
We haven't had a chance to watch this yet (it'll probably happen this weekend - don't worry about spoilers, they don't bother me), but:

I've been told that parts of the DT fandom has been horrified by Jessica Jones because Kilgrave ruins their memories of the Tenth Doctor.

I mean... maybe someone who had never seen him as anything other than the Doctor might get a little cognitive dissonance, a sort of mental double-take... but I just kinda go "wtf?" that it would "ruin" such things, like, do they mean they can never watch Doctor Who again? As you know, he's played this kind of controlling, abusive shithead more than once before. Hardly ruins any of my memories of his more neutral or even extremely lovable characters. (And IMO anyone who thinks Ten is just happy fluff has got him wrong.) It's called, you know, acting?
Nov. 25th, 2015 10:16 pm (UTC)
To be absolutely clear, Kilgrave is much more than a controlling, abusive shithead. I'm not sure I know of a character that's quite on his level of psychosis.

But I completely agree with you - DT is an actor, and he plays a wide range of characters, no two of which should be confused. I don't understand why a person watches one show he's done expecting that his character would be the same as one of his others. I also agree with you that anyone that thinks Ten is happy fluff is completely character-blind.
Nov. 25th, 2015 10:55 pm (UTC)
Oh, Ten can go very dark.... and did, several times. The look on his face as he does it, goes all quiet... truly frightening. Human Nature/Family of Blood, at the very end. The Racnoss, where Donna put a stop to his mood and got him and her out... and then there's Waters of Mars, where he had no moral compass, no Donna... Time Lord Victorious. Need I say more? His charm and fluff is a facade....

And anyone who is at all familiar with DT's work knows he plays a wide variety of roles, from humor to Shakespeare (both comedy and tragedy) to drama and definitely to psychotic characters such as Brendon Block and Kilgrave, all of it extremely well. That's some mighty fine acting!
Nov. 25th, 2015 11:40 pm (UTC)
Actually, one of my favorites is Will Burton. We get to watch the normal family man turn into a killer, and it's quite chilling, especially that end scene where the other lawyer tries to catch him. We might sympathize with his motives, but by the end of the show, he's quite cold.
Nov. 25th, 2015 11:50 pm (UTC)
Ooh, yes... he was excellent in that. His end speech to the jury about losing his wife, his best friend, his moral compass... I just about lost it. You are right, coldly calculating, but he could turn on the emotion like a faucet when it was to his benefit.

I feel for those who haven't seen him in his many different roles; they are missing out!
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