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Muppets vs. DotD

I wanted to respond to everyone all at once, rather than repeating the same things three times, so here's another post about DT. Not that there can be too many posts about DT.


It really is a lot more than the hair. In DotD, DT looked puffy and pasty. Take a look at the pics below. One is from DotD, the other is from the Muppets sketch - both are from a fair distance away, and his expression in both are similar.



See the difference in how he looks, ignoring the hair (which you can't really see in the Muppets pic anyway)? In which picture does he look older? And I deliberately picked a "good" picture of him from DotD - there are much worse ones, in which he looks ten years older than he did when he regenerated, not the mere four years older that he really was. In the Muppets pic, he has five extra years and harsh stage lights - which exaggerate imperfections - and yet he looks younger there.

It's all a matter of makeup. The makeup artists can make an actor look like whatever they want, and we can see from the Muppet sketch that they could have made him look very similar to the way he appeared when he was the Doctor (especially in series 4 and the specials), but they chose not to.

Here's another thing to look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjBswS_1nq0 This is an interview from two years ago, when he was clean-shaven for Richard II. If he could look like this for an interview, the BBC makeup department could have given us Series 4/Specials Tenth Doctor.



I keep meaning to write that analysis of DotD that I promised you like two years ago, alumfelga. I have a bunch of it done, but it's not in any postable form yet. And I think, serenityslady that you'll find that I pretty much agree with you. I honestly feel that Ten was there because it was expected, and so he was given nothing to do except comic relief. He had no actual contribution to the show, and frankly, his part really was an insult, and so DT didn't bother to give it his all. I also feel that the script was written before it was decided to try to include Nine and Ten, so when DT agreed, his character was stuffed into the already-established Zygon storyline, with Queen Elizabeth substituted in for whoever had already been there. If you change QEI to someone else, say some queen known for having side romances, you can see that what he did - seduce a woman with an ulterior motive and no regard for her at all - was exactly an Eleven thing to do.

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dm12
Jul. 17th, 2018 04:18 pm (UTC)
Well, of course it wasn't only the hair! Oh, and I just watched again recently and really noticed the placement of his fingers when he was giving that line about the Daleks being caught in their own crossfire. It was true, he had his middle finger out...

It's kind of funny, but DotD was one of the few of Doctor Who that my husband actually enjoyed. He's not a big fan (oh, well, can't have everything), but he was going on and on for days afterwards! One other episode was "Fires of Pompeii." That one, he was a bit wary about the quick-fire banter between the Doctor and Donna, because he almost needed a translator. So it was only a few days later that he realized the extent of what Donna had actually done, how she proved herself as a very worthy companion to the Doctor. She not only talked the talk, but walked the walk.
shivver13
Jul. 17th, 2018 05:24 pm (UTC)
Oh, I noticed the middle fingers the first time I saw that episode and thought that it was odd at the time. I don't know if it's normal to gesture innocently with the middle finger in Britain, but I do know that the obscene gesture has the same meaning there as here in the U.S., so it seemed odd to me that he did that. I'm not quite willing to embrace the idea that he was basically flipping off the show, but it would certainly make sense. :D

Actually, I loved DotD when it first came out. I saw it first in the theaters, and then downloaded it from BBC iPlayer and watched it every day for like 2-3 weeks, so I know it very well. It took about 6 months to a year for me to realize, beyond how terrible Ten looked and acted, what a farce of an episode that thing was. I haven't seen it in over a year because even the opening scene makes me feel a bit sick as it foreshadows how they sacrificed character, sensible plot, and the whole Last Great Time War storyline and legacy for spectacle, fan service, and the glorification of current Doctor.

I really should finish that analysis of DotD, but it's not kind.
alumfelga
Jul. 18th, 2018 09:12 pm (UTC)
Oh, so not only the hair they messed up - the make up, too. I still think the hair is the major problem; when I cover Ten's hair in the DotD photo, he looks much better!

I think I might write about the Day of the Doctor as well. I have more time in the summer and I even rewatched some Doctor Who episodes recently, so I'm already in the mood. It might not be that insightful since it's been years and many people wrote about it, but I'll see how it goes.
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